2004-05-05 [Char.]: well we're not everyone! look ive had enough of ur fucking"anti goth" parade! if only u could see what u r doin, though im not sure ud care!

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: Now, lonely_goth... Hon... What Atridane does in his time is actually nothing of our concern anymore; we disbanded him from the Seraphim, and although he is all full of our propaganda... He has very little to do with the movement of CI anymore. What he continues to do is actually just because I talk to him IRL, and he gets a total kick out of making fun of Goths to witness their reactions and thus usually their hypocrisy.

2004-05-05 [Delladreing]: people are allowed opinions, you may not like them but they are. and pray tell what harm are we doing?

2004-05-05 [Char.]: why cant u people just leave us alone? i guess thats a question that unexplainble! and im not waiting around to find out

2004-05-05 [Delladreing]: why do you feel the need to do what you do then? why cant ur ppl leave our ppl alone either?

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: And if you'll look at half the doctrine, perhaps reading in between the lines, you'll realize that absolutely none of it really has to do with God. In fact, I'll go down the list, and tell you who's Christian and who's not on the board. Myself... I am an atheist, in the "faithless but looking" sense. Skyy is Christian, but an open-minded one. Malkavian, I believe, is atheist; Neimo, the same; Whim, the same; and Deladreing is a witch. However, I realized a few parallels between my view of Goths and Whim's and my own personal take on the creation myths of Christianity. It's all about irony, and CI is actually about a union of cynical bastards out against the conformity of the

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: ignorant teen Goth masses.

2004-05-05 [HiddenFire]: sorry, for the missuderstanding about your gender. i usually check peoples houses but this time i neglected to. And Avoral, thanks for the invite. answer me one questio though, if it is to my liking i may just choose to stick around. is this wiki supposed to be offensive to cause some greater good? are you trying to offend those that seek to be 'nonconformists' by simply conforming to another subculture? it has offended more than a few people, so i know it was more than likely engineered that way. i pray that you are not as hateful as this wiki suggests, but because of my living in the bible belt of texas i am quite used to being eternally dissapointed with people. perhaps my hope is nieve.

2004-05-05 [Delladreing]: well said. np hiddenfire.

2004-05-05 [Char.]: because u've got a whole wiki about how bad we r, and how much u hate us! we havent said anything, before now, about u so why the wiki? u cant hate all goths because u dont know every goth in the world! please just see it from my point of view.... we're all happy, talking to each other, playing games then we hear about a load of people that despise us! but for what? what have we attually done thats so bad? ur just judging us by our appearance, and thats probably the worst thing u can do to someone. *shakes head in disappointment* i guess i was wrong when i thought everyone here was nice and understanding!

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: HiddenFire, you are about right on the money there. Actually, I'm not the narrow-minded bigot I make myself out to be, and anyone who knows me in real life (and has seen one of my genuine states of mind, especially) can vouch for that. Ironically, I dress in black, and listen to a lot of industrial and hardcore music... And play V:tM religiously. ^_^ Anyway, I made this wiki to offend people and stir up chaos amidst the working Goth subculture... But it was done in the hopes that they'd eventually see the reality of what they're having done to them by the mainstream Goth/punk media they seem to confide in so blindly. Sadly, what I always forget is that attacks breed unity, and unity

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: breeds camaraderie, and camaraderie sparks up a certain esprit de corps that leads the group to believe that they're right, hands-down.

2004-05-05 [Delladreing]: we are against the ignorance of wanabee goths. those idiotic litl 13 year olds that walk down the corridors of skools pretending to be depressed and listening to that steriotypical shit that sum idiot called "music" i am against the wanabees- the ones that knw fuck all about what its about. and ont turn it into a guilt trip cuz it wont work

2004-05-05 [HiddenFire]: actually what is the worst is the fact that goths are continually being harrassed by people. we are constantly getting stares and people think we are all devil worshipers. we are so used to getting so much shit from the general public that your message registers as yet another insult. in fact, it took me a few days to see what this wiki could actually be about. so even the reasonable ones find you message more than a little hard to swallow at first. it is our nature to be constantly on the defensive and the classic goth defense is a good offense. we will lash out against anything we consider a threat or an insult. your message really is no different.

2004-05-05 [Delladreing]: and becuz off ppl that conform to the steriotypical thing people like me get dragged in the dirt!!!! i cant say witch or pagan without sum1 thinking of pale face black eyes and satanic worship thats my real issue its the stereotypes and ive had it

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: lonely_goth, I do believe you are a lot more deluded than you believe yourself to be. Actually, for one thing... I don't hate Goths; pity is the right term for the feelings I take upon them. And I do focus on individual people as well, looking always for some exceptions to the rule. These I have found in the form of [HiddenFire], [garudaserpent], [circus snatch] (though she doesn't proclaim herself Goth), and a few others. These would be the people, of course, who can potentially understand the meaning of what I'm getting at when I do this, and are thus the Goth-types who garner my respect.

2004-05-05 [Delladreing]: *got to go i have an exam 2mo- anyone who cares to wish me luck* bb & mp ppl!

2004-05-05 [Char.]: well u know how we feel then. ur just a sheep, a hypocrit! ur saying that u get sterotyped, then u do it urself. its the same for us... goth=black "panda eyes" as u said earlier! u make me sick to my stomach! but i guess thats all i am... a 13 year old goth "wannabe"

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: And yeah, that's an understandable reason, HiddenFire... Which is why I was halfway thinking of changing my own personal approach to the revelations. I realize that the Goth-types can easily get a really thick shell, and that this phenomenon is something that has been honed by their own lives for a very long time. However, a part of me loves verbal assault more than anything, and sometimes you do have to break out and trade insults with some preprogrammed black-clad drone to get a picture of what the record industry is pounding in them lately... Anyway, I suppose another argument I would normally be apt at taking on is that so many Goths delude themselves into thinking they are the most

2004-05-05 [windowframe]: and becuz off ppl that conform to the steriotypical thing she's not stereotyping you... she's talking about people who follow societies stereotype... which in turn earn her a bad name... if you take offence at that... then you are kinda saying you are the stereotypical goth... X-x

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: open-minded, 'individualistic' types of people, and actually take that as one of the prime centers on which they rest their supposedly-beaten egos. When the realization hits them that they just tried to 'bitch out' a place with a more-enlightened doctrine than they're used to hearing from their void seas of angst-induced rants, the shock factor would be a nice laceration to said egos. However, that's just idealism, and probably doesn't happen all that often in application.

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: Yeah, lonely_goth, I think dear SilverFire has a bit of a point. *Thinks* You know, I like fire-people today.

2004-05-05 [Char.]: well i'll just make it easier for u, i'll just disappear so u can carry on with ur stupid wiki, which in my point of view is insulting and affensive!

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: Okay.

2004-05-05 [HiddenFire]: honestly, even i am guilty of hiding behind the banner of open-mindedness. its so much easier when one believes themself to be right because everyone else is just too hard headed. it took me many years to grow out of my stubborn ways and now i try my hardest to admit when i am wrong with dignity, no matter how painful that may be. oh, and fire rocks!

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: Yeah, I understand that plight completely, to be honest. And I'm also guilty of having the tendency to lapse into depression fits and hate society too sometimes... I just try to curb that as of late, because hatred is just kind of pointless when nobody's really done anything to deserve it. In fact, as I said before, I don't even hate Goths, although the narrow-minded bigot facade tends to keep itself up. And damn straight fire rocks... Hehehe... *Has made a lot of napalm and explosives in his time out of household chemicals, as per the widely-renowned Anarchist's Cookbook* 

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: And hey, it's a noble thing to be able to admit you're wrong. Lord knows a LOT of people have some serious troubles with the 'give a little, get a little' viewpoint.

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: However, I'll be back in a few... I have some IRL business I must attend to momentarily. I'll look forward to talking later.

2004-05-05 [Neimo]: *speaks up from my place on Anakai's lap, having long been forgotten* I'm never wrong.. *munches on popcorn*

2004-05-05 [Whim]: Damn...why do I miss all the good fun? I think the sexy Irish have distracted me from all this. Oh well. Maybe next time.

2004-05-05 [HiddenFire]: those sexy irish'll do that every time...

2004-05-05 [Whim]: Yeah they will. I'm sure I'll be distracted again within the hour.

2004-05-05 [HiddenFire]: it may have somthing to do with the fae that are so connected to their ancestory. the fae do have such powers you know.

2004-05-05 [Whim]: Yeah, I know all that. Plus her immense hotness doesn't hurt...hehe.

2004-05-05 [HiddenFire]: its definately a plus!

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: The fae rock. And yes... Hot fae-loving chicks are always welcome distractions.

2004-05-05 [HiddenFire]: in your absense i buckled down and wrote up another wiki that is actually an even 14 hundred words. which is odd that i managed such a thing and not on purpose. its Offended which is just my opinions about people being offended. since i figured members of a wiki such as this would know about such things i figured i would share.

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: All right, I'd be glad to check it out. *Intrigued*

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: Everyone, I urge you to check out HiddenFire's essay. I've added it to the top of the page, and believe it may serve as a nice little tool for enlightenment instead of raw 'pwning.'

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: Not that raw 'pwning' is bad, but my point was to enlighten.

2004-05-05 [Whim]: Um...you never told me that point. I clearly remember you only stating the 'pwning'

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: Yeah, that's a conversion trick. The same way Christianity did it. Notice this is a super-Christian board, right...? ^_^ In war, one must tell things on a need-to-know basis. I've got a crew of merry men and women, some encompassing arsebeating prowess (you), and others making up hugs and squishiness (Malkavian), while others still... Well, Atridane does still come on here, even if he's no longer Seraphim.

2004-05-05 [Whim]: I'm not saying I didn't already know it, I'm just saying you didn't tell me that. hehe

2004-05-05 [Malkavian]: KITTY

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: KEETY! ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ *Loves the Malkavian!*

2004-05-05 [Malkavian]: ~`Huggles`~

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: *Hugs back* Hey, dearest Malkavian of mine, did you see my House of Hugs membership? ^_^

2004-05-05 [Malkavian]: No, nor do I plan to sadly...The house of hugs will merely depress me or make me angry.

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: Aww... *Hugs anyway* Oh well, if you need me at all, I will gladly make house calls.

2004-05-05 [Malkavian]: o_>

2004-05-05 [Avoral]: ^_^!

2004-05-06 [Neimo]: *random comment for the day* Anakai is my bitch. *whips my bitch*

2004-05-06 [Avoral]: Ooh! ^_^ *Enjoys the whipping* What is your desire, Mistress?

2004-05-06 [Skyy]: *walks in, seeing the whipping. Shakes his head and walks out.*

2004-05-06 [Delladreing]: i come back in and all i read was hot fae lovin chicks.....and something about irish....and whips....hmm well *goes to sleep*

2004-05-06 [Neimo]: *wields the whip with experience* I command you to lick Mesquite honey from my naked, writhing body and then pleasure me with tentical sex. ^.^ ||A perfectly reasonable request, don't you think?||

2004-05-06 [Avoral]: Yes, Mistress. It would be my pleasure. *Commences in pleasing you in ways only Avoral or a devout Cthulhu-worshipper can begin to fathom*

2004-05-06 [Whim]: *shakes his head and follows Skyy out the door*

2004-05-06 [Neimo]: *laugh* My dear boys. Jealousy will get you nowhere. *winks*

2004-05-06 [Whim]: *pops head back in* No jealousy here. I have sexy Irish to tend to.

2004-05-06 [Neimo]: Interesting. I'm Irish as well. Not to mention Indian, Spanish (not Mexican), German, Dutch, and several other volitile European races thrown into the mix. *shrugs* The only thing I don't have is an accent. *chuckles* But I could get one, if I wanted to. I seem to have a talent for picking up accents and inflections from other people. ^.^

2004-05-06 [HiddenFire]: same here. but i dont know much about my ancestry. all i know is that i am 3/32 native american. @.@

2004-05-06 [circus snatch]: *yawn*

2004-05-06 [Whim]: Yes, but I speak of native Irish.

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: *Pets the Jenni* *Nods* Ah, 3/32 Native American, eh? Seems these days that that's enough to qualify you to join the force in taking down the Man with casinos. Go for it. *Shrugs* Anyway... Since we're throwing out numbers and heredity... 50% German, and a near-even split for the rest between Irish and English. *Distant relative to the Barrymores*

2004-05-07 [circus snatch]: *purrs* Hi avoral

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: Happy morning for the Jenni?

2004-05-07 [circus snatch]: I had to drive 5 hours from... iowa.... in the morning... yeah it was pretty great

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: Oh, crazy. Hope all is well!

2004-05-07 [circus snatch]: im sleepy

2004-05-07 [circus snatch]: and strangely very bitter towards cows

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: Oh? Explain this irregular turn of events.

2004-05-07 [circus snatch]: ever been to Iowa?

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: Never.

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: But I have a feeling now that I can see why.

2004-05-07 [circus snatch]: I was born there actually, cows. They are everywhere.

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: 'Tis what I thought. You poor thing! *Defends you from the evil cows* *Realizes they're like the Diablo II cows, and becomes overly shaken and afraid*

2004-05-07 [circus snatch]: Looks like we're eatin steak tonight kids. XD

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: BWAHAHAHA! *Evillllll...*

2004-05-07 [circus snatch]: *stares*

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: *Curls up in a ball and sleeps*

2004-05-07 [HiddenFire]: thats all we've got down here in Texas: cotton and cows. feed lots are the worst X|

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: Oh my, you poor thing... I feel your pain, to a degree. SC and TX are about like kindred souls. That's the reason I could empathize with you on the Bible Belt issue.

2004-05-07 [Whim]: But at least you know of better places Avoral. Some of us have lived in SC all their lives.

2004-05-07 [HiddenFire]: with all the cows, the dust, the christians, the rednecks, and the STD's Texas isn't a very good place to be. @.@

2004-05-07 [circus snatch]: I live in the best part of illinois, instead of getting raped in corn fields we get raped in dark alley ways. ^.^

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: Yeah, good point... I am quite grateful for that, and urge you to see a bit of all worlds before pulling a Chub and settling down at 18. Cows, rednecks, blind hypocritical Christians (And yeah, there is a whole other type of Christian, I trust we all know well enough), and dust in some places... Not as much as TX, though... That's SC in a nutshell. However, the STD problem isn't too bad around here. I count my blessings.

2004-05-07 [HiddenFire]: STD wise Texas is the worst in the country and i live a few miles away from the worst city in the state! so to be clean you damn near have to see a doctors note!

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: Oh yeah... I realize, now, that Texas is right on the border with Mexico... I can see now why so many STD's come in. Well, as long as you know to watch where you're putting yourself... Literally...

2004-05-07 [circus snatch]: ew

2004-05-07 [HiddenFire]: i find tremendous humor in the fact that in the buckle of the bible belt we have the highest rates of STD's. and you are right, it is just too easy to catch somthing to be loose.

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: *Shrugs* Fact of life.

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: Yeah, you should see it around here. It's the most HILARIOUS thing to see teen and preteen pregnancy rates so high around here... In the middle of the Bible Belt... And pedophiles and other degenerates run rampant but still go to church because it's what they've done since they were growing up.

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: Argh. Please forgive my lack of writing skill today. I'm tired enough to be reeling from dizziness, and am probably going to disappear in a few.

2004-05-07 [Skyy]: Avoral. You will never be forgiven for lack of writting skill. It is part of your essence. And your essence does not just simply waver because of physical strain. So no Avoral. You are not forgiven.

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: Ah, I am flattered. ph34r my l337 wr171n6 5k1llz.

2004-05-07 [Neimo]: *sighs* I live in Arizona. We have cows, cotton, STDs, and Illegals and desert. Not to mention the small little fact of living only 50 miles from the border. :/ Don't you complain about stuff. Cause around here, we have it all.

2004-05-07 [Delladreing]: lol (lives in scotland where its usually cold we have the highest teen pregnancy rate in europe and in some of the towns its part of the tourist attraction to get mugged)

2004-05-07 [Avoral]: *LMAO* Okay, we have it set now... It's clear that CI consists of a bunch of jaded people living in sucky geographical locations.

2004-05-08 [Delladreing]: lol yup sure do

2004-05-08 [Delladreing]: ahhh wherd my banner go for this site??

2004-05-08 [Avoral]: Well, you should probably link to the main banner if you're going to put it on your house... Looks prettier anyway. As for the fate of the yoke... Angelfire shot it down like a bastard, and doesn't let me host anything.

2004-05-08 [-Riptide-]: Hey, you all suck ass what the fuck did goths ever do to you?

2004-05-08 [HiddenFire]: *sighs* how often does this happen? we invite you to check out offended.

2004-05-08 [Avoral]: It really doesn't happen too often anymore... I kind of lack the willpower to toy with him at the moment, too. I suppose this would be the time we just kind of... Let it slide for once. *Points* A few steps above him are where I usually like to believe Average Joe Goth happens to reside when I psyche myself out to destroy some Goths.

2004-05-08 [circus snatch]: .< avoral tell Atridane to stop kissing me

2004-05-08 [Avoral]: *Shrugs* I have no control over him, hon... But I'll tell him.

2004-05-08 [circus snatch]: *shrugs*

2004-05-08 [Avoral]: Consider him told. Anyway, happy morning? (And is he continuing to spam you even after falling out of the Seraphim?)

2004-05-08 [circus snatch]: mmhm

2004-05-08 [HiddenFire]: yeah, atridane has some issues. earlier he licked my elbow! *shivers* he softened up after yall booted him ^_^ he's getting all mushy at crazy goths

2004-05-08 [Avoral]: Umm... *Knows Atridane a little better than that* I don't quite think he's getting softer. I think he's just on a random whim of his. Is there any recurring theme throughout everything he's doing? See, for instance... A while back, he'd go around school with a plan to hug this guy named Sam until he turned gay... And so he would hug random people and call them Sam... And the other time he carried around a Vinyl Scepter... And he claimed to be this advanced being that could turn things to vinyl. Basically... What happens is this: He gets bored, gets on a random kick, and sticks with it until he figures out something else.

2004-05-08 [Avoral]: Lately, he pulls out the grey in his coat and comments on his wingspan, claiming to have "pigeony might." You can't deny he HAS the might, he says, because the Secret Service backs him up... But then he also continues spouting about his advanced ion-burst capabilities in his toothbrush... And also the fact that his refrigerator has a built-in CD player (Which it actually DOES. I swear it. I have seen it. He has a REFRIGERATOR that plays CD's. Where he gets this crap, I still don't know.)

2004-05-08 [Whim]: He is not on a random me and I am not his!

2004-05-08 [HiddenFire]: i figured since we voted him invisible over a crazy goths and he could no longer bug us (gawd we were having fun with him ^_^) he probably just decided to see if he could bug us with creepy niceness.

2004-05-08 [Avoral]: Eh, I once again doubt it. He was probably doing it all for his own entertainment. Oh, and Whim... You ARE his. 47r1d4n3 pwns j00.

2004-05-08 [Avoral]: But hey, as long as you had fun! ^_^

2004-05-08 [Whim]: Damn! Which of you bastards sold me to him?

2004-05-08 [Avoral]: *Raises hand* You think you were just selling your soul to get a hot Irish wiccan chick?

2004-05-08 [Whim]: Yeah...oh well...I still got the hot Irish wiccan chick. It was worth it.

2004-05-08 [Avoral]: Was it worth the 47r1d4n3? Was it, Bean?

2004-05-08 [Delladreing]: lmao

2004-05-08 [Whim]: yeah, cause I can always kill Atridane...hehe

2004-05-08 [Avoral]: Oh yeah. ^_^ (Enjoy. The only one who's succeeded thus far was Bowman Jean.)

2004-05-08 [Whim]: true, but how many people have actually succeeded in owning me?

2004-05-08 [Delladreing]: *curls up and goes to sleep* had a big fight with a wanabee "gofic" and now im tired and have a sore throat

2004-05-08 [Avoral]: Awwww! *Hugs* What went on, might I ask?

2004-05-08 [Delladreing]: tell you 2mo im going to bed

2004-05-08 [Avoral]: All righty... Take care! *Hugs, loves lots*

2004-05-09 [-Riptide-]: I want to know about this [4V0r41], any info he seems to suport you all.

2004-05-09 [Bakani]: *kicks [Avoral]* Oooo! o.o *goes off to stare at something*

2004-05-09 [Skyy]: My my...

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: *wakes up* ugh my throat still hurts..... this is what happened with me and a stupid group of wanabee "gofics"..........

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: I was at a pagan meeting the other day- im a solitary and not usualy that happy in that sort of environment but i went cuz i was asked to. when i got there everyone was fairly normal looking and had a good grasp of what paganism is about. then they turned up. stupid little teenagers dressed from top to toe in black trying to look "mysterious" they sat and listened for a while and then when the lady started talking about the importance of magic etc the girl in the group laughed really loudly and scoffed at her. the room kinda went silent and the lady asked her to explain what was so funny. so the girl did..."your a bunch of whimps. you talk about power and you are too blind tosee it.."

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: she kept going on about how much power she had and how she could "take" any one of us "down" to quote her. we all just sat there and stared at her like "what the fuk are you on?" and then she said it. "my Master will prove to you, the demons i summon will destroy the pagan enemies." and then there was silence broken only by the sudden sound of me collapsing in hysterical gails of laughter. i pointed out that she was obviously a dumb ass kid who had no idea what the fuck she was talking about. i told her what our religion is really about and that if she was a real pagan she wouldnt believe in the devil or her "master" as she put it. there are no such thing as demon

2004-05-09 [Char.]: oh get a life!

2004-05-09 [ToxicBlackMess]: Go fuck a bible ^_^

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: true power is knowledge and wisdom and knowing when magic is to be used. she then started on at me and how i was afraid to embrace the true darkness of my heart and give into what was really happening. which no-one if they want to live had better say to me again the lady then asked the girl to leave. when she refused i told her to get out and grow up and not come back till she'd learned what the heck she was on about- or failing that to grow a brain. she then gave me the ugliest look ever and stormed out taking all her frends with her all glaring at me and my frend. then the meeting went on as usual. then wen we were all leaving i went outside and guess who was waiting for me?

2004-05-09 [ToxicBlackMess]: Jesus pissing christ....you spend alot of time typing you maggot...

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: thats the right her she started bull shitting me and threatening to curse me for humiliating her in there. i told her quite bluntly she did it herself by walking into a room full of pagans and spuing a whole lot of shit. she then resorted to swearing at me and thinking she could intimidate me all her frends stepped up and tried to look menacing. now i may be short and fairly small but no-one tries to scare me. so i did what comes naturally i went icey silent and then reached out and smacked the girl in the face. my frend had gone back in to get sum help but stopped wen he heard her hit the ground. she was absolutely stunned and just lying there.

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: was i talking to you? no

2004-05-09 [ToxicBlackMess]: Didn't think so

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: and what kind of insult is "go fuck a bible" and "maggot" ? ill tell you bad ones

2004-05-09 [ToxicBlackMess]: Who said they were good ones in the first place?

2004-05-09 [ToxicBlackMess]: And the guy from good charlotte isnt really a "goth" he's a poser...

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: yea gathrd that theyre all posers in good charlotte

2004-05-09 [ToxicBlackMess]: Hense why they suck...

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: deffinately! and my frend listesn to them *shudders* hence why i take ear plugs to her house

2004-05-09 [ToxicBlackMess]: :/ Damn...now I understand why he must die, and WHY he's on the banner...They make me feel physically sick...

2004-05-09 [Char.]: haha maggot... i think thats a great insult! *sticks touge out* ^_^

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: yes see now you understand!!! yay! its them i hate them ppl that call themself gothic and arnt they just conforming to the streotype of it and get confused and end up listening to good charlotte

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: *sticks tongue out at lonely* :p

2004-05-09 [ToxicBlackMess]: I don't think im a "Goth" im just Atheist...and I like to take the piss out of Belivers that try to turn me to Christyanity :/

2004-05-09 [ToxicBlackMess]: I can't spell..Horah!

2004-05-09 [Char.]: yeah but they way u display ur page it looks as if ur hating "real" goths! and i read earlier about some girl at a meeting... well how do u know she listens to good charlotte and that shes a "wannabe"goth?

2004-05-09 [Char.]: *cuts tounge off* =D

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: no no she was a wanabee pagan dressed all gothy and besides she goes to my skool so i knw she does. and now everyone thinks that all pagans look like her and stuff and its not fair!!

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: *if that was my tongue "ow" *

2004-05-09 [Char.]: oh right ok thats fair enough! maybe u lot could change something in this to say that its about wannabe goths not "real" ones! i dont mean like tiny writting so we cant see it... big bold writting!

2004-05-09 [Char.]: yep ur tounge!

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: yay! sum1else understands me! umm its not my place to change it but maybe u shld ask avoral and he might do it.

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: *can she have her tongue back? she kinda needs it to shout at wanabees*

2004-05-09 [Char.]: meh, i cant be bothered! sorry to sound self loving and all that but would u class me as a wannabe goth?

2004-05-09 [Char.]: *hands tounge back*

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: *yay has tongue back* i dont know how to class you cuz ive never actually met you but i dont think you sound like one. you seem just as annoyed with the wanabees as me so go figure ^_^ (that was a no btw im not very good with direct answers this morning lol)

2004-05-09 [Char.]: well yeah im annoyed with wannabes but i dont like to judge people! well i g2g c ya

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: k bye

2004-05-09 [Skyy]: Now, now...no cutting tongues off here. Unless of course it's for poetic justice.

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: 's okay she gave it back *stitches her tongue back on* oww

2004-05-09 [Skyy]: ...you didn't really have to listen to me. I don't really care what you do...In fact I need to find Avoral and get the password to this place so I can take myself off.

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: ahh u leaving us?

2004-05-09 [Delladreing]: *duh wot a dumb ass question you just sed so*

2004-05-09 [ToxicBlackMess]: O-o

2004-05-09 [Avoral]: This is not a Goth board. So I calmly ask those of you who are sitting and talking about the distinction between Goths and "posers" and the like to take it to another board. Anyway... This isn't an anti-"wannabe" page, this is anti-Goth. The reasons are found if you read between the lines, and we assert that if you're unable to make that distinction, then you're exactly who we aim to destroy. [Char.], I urge you to message me if you want your questions answered.

2004-05-09 [Avoral]: And yeah... Coming on here, asking us to judge you between "Goth" and "wannabe" is like asking Hitler to gauge how much Jew is in you. Not a good idea, and I'd have smashed both of you were I on at the moment.

2004-05-09 [Char.]: well maybe u should explain that to [Delladreing] before u have a go at us

2004-05-09 [Sven Welkenson]: hehehehe

2004-05-09 [Avoral]: She was explaining Pagan vs. Goth. And she was just jumping on the subject of the hour. I know her motives, I see her well enough. I'm just saying... Let's not try to turn this into another Crazy Goths or Lost Insanity. This is CI, and we're all about smiting Goths here.

2004-05-09 [Avoral]: Ah, Sven. Got anything to say?

2004-05-09 [Char.]: Why destroy us when you hardly fucking know us...what the fuck have "Goths" ever done to you

2004-05-09 [Sven Welkenson]: From what I see, the "Goths" that have been ranting here are a little fickle minded. You're offended, that is reasonable, If you are either go away like certain people said they would or do as Avoral instructs and go to "Offended." If you need our confirmation if you're goth or wannabe then you are probably wannabe.

2004-05-09 [Sven Welkenson]: w4nn4 5m173 50m3 g07h5?

2004-05-09 [Avoral]: There we go, lonely_goth... That's a bit more of what I wanted to hear. Now you're getting into that stereotypical spirit.

2004-05-09 [Char.]: fuck u all! maybe one day u'll all see how very wrong are!

2004-05-09 [Sven Welkenson]: And maybe one day you'll see how much time you've wasted trying to be different.

2004-05-09 [Avoral]: Yeah, seriously. I agree with you totally, Sven, and you hit the point I forgot I was about to address. Stop coming here for validation, lonely_goth; if you're here, find a reason other than US giving you the attention, pity, and help you and your culture crave.

2004-05-09 [windowframe]: This is completly of the point, I know, and I apologize if it annnoys you, but I really am curiouse on this point, [Char.], you are aware that if you read through your last few comments and replace 'fuck' with a synonym, they make absolubtly no sense at all?

2004-05-09 [ToxicBlackMess]: Hahaha, this amuses me, your proberly going to class me as a "Goth" by the way I look...But there's more to me than what meets the eye.......

2004-05-09 [Avoral]: And we're hoping, actually, that you'll see how very wrong YOU are. See, one thing that I run off of is the fact that we're older, wiser, and more experienced... And we have known and seen a lot more than you and your presumably cloistered little existence could possibly conjure forth. Tell me, lonely_goth, have you ever dabbled in the occult?

2004-05-09 [Sven Welkenson]: Seriously, if you need others to tell you you're different, then some soul searching is in order. Do you need a hug?

2004-05-09 [Whim]: Damn. I walk into the room, see people complaining, and for some reason I still do not care. Apathy rocks.

2004-05-09 [Char.]: hmmm yeah whatever... being different isnt wasting time... its attually thinking for yourself and not being fucking sheep and following other people! im not coming here for validation, im here because uve pissed so many people off and u dont even realise... if u did, u'd have the decensy to do something about it!

2004-05-09 [Avoral]: And what the hell are you here for, Toxic? (I'm just going to shorten you both to Toxic and Lonely. Hope you don't mind.) Do you know how many times we've heard that argument? Judgment based on looks? No, no, my deluded little friend... We're on the Internet, where none can see your Hot Topic bullcrap or hear your angsty screams.

2004-05-09 [Sven Welkenson]: Good observation SilverFire. Lack of vocabulary is whats wrong with today's youth.

2004-05-09 [Whim]: I like pissing people off. Let's make a section of CI for people who are pissed off.

2004-05-09 [ToxicBlackMess]: Put it this way..."Goths" and our comments arn't goingt o change their feelings towards us, and theyr feelings towards us arn't going to change us....If that makes sense...

2004-05-09 [Avoral]: And we realize well enough that we're pissing lots of people off. That's why I created this wiki.

2004-05-09 [ToxicBlackMess]: We have photo's up...idiot

2004-05-09 [Whim]: I like photos. I'm gonna look.

2004-05-09 [Char.]: yeah at least "lack of vocab" is easier to understand than ur bullshit